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3 hours ago, SeanR said:

pretty amazing, considering...


Wasn’t his main issue his working relationship with RTD which, in his eyes, completely broke down.  If he’s not involved in this then that might be why he’s back.

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17 minutes ago, Ivanho said:


Wasn’t his main issue his working relationship with RTD which, in his eyes, completely broke down.  If he’s not involved in this then that might be why he’s back.

 

they're on their 2nd show runner since RTD... he could have come back for Moffat or Chibnall.

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1 hour ago, Ivanho said:


Wasn’t his main issue his working relationship with RTD which, in his eyes, completely broke down.  If he’s not involved in this then that might be why he’s back.

 

I read an interview where he was talking about "members of the production crew" being the issue. Was it really RTD himself?

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16 minutes ago, Mogster said:

I read an interview where he was talking about "members of the production crew" being the issue. Was it really RTD himself?

 

7 minutes ago, Gregory Wolfe said:

He'd previously done 'The Second Coming' with RTD.

 

Yes, the fact that he and RTD had worked so well together on that series is why it was a shame to learn that their relationship broke down while making Doctor Who:

 

2010: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10312426

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"I was open-minded but I decided after my experience on the first series that I didn't want to do any more," he said.

 

"I didn't enjoy the environment and the culture that we, the cast and crew, had to work in.

 

"I thought if I stay in this job, I'm going to have to blind myself to certain things that I thought were wrong."

 

 

2018: https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2018-03-19/doctor-who-christopher-eccleston-russell-t-davies/

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“My relationship with my three immediate superiors – the showrunner, the producer and co-producer – broke down irreparably during the first block of filming and it never recovered,” Eccleston says in the latest issue of Radio Times.

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In the interview, Eccleston goes on to reveal why he’s only elected to speak on the subject in recent months, with the Salford-born actor suggesting he’d made an agreement not to “damage” the reputation of the series.

 

“When I left, I gave my word to [then-showrunner] Russell T Davies that I wouldn’t do anything to damage the show,” he says. “But they did things to damage me. I didn’t criticise anybody.”

 

Asked if Davies was aware of the issues, Eccleston says, “If you’re the showrunner, you know everything. That’s your job,” adding that he “never will have” a working relationship with the screenwriter again.

 

 

2019: https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/why-christopher-eccleston-left-doctor-who/

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“I left because my relationship with the showrunner and the producer broke down,” Eccleston said. “[I left because of] the politics of the show. I left only because of those three individuals and the way they were running the show. I loved playing the character, and I loved the world … I felt, ‘I’m gonna play the Doctor my way and I’m not gonna get involved in these politics,’ and that wasn’t workable, so off I went… and became the invisible man.”

 

At the time, Russell T. Davies was acting as showrunner, with Julie Gardner and Phil Collinson serving as executive producers.

 

 

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I've just finished reading Eccleston's autobiography and he says how much he loved the role, despite the 'politics' of making the show that made him quit, so I'm not that surprised to see him return to the Whoniverse, even if it is just BF audio productions.

 

Amazing read btw - thoroughly recommended.

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Ecclestone was brilliant, and managed to do a lot with the character for such a short run. I was completely sold on him after Dalek, and it's his run that made me a Doctor Who fan.

 

I'm guessing these audios will have him teamed up with Billie Piper again instead of giving him a new companion, especially as she's already done a bunch of BF stuff already. There's not really much wiggle room to do anything else, unless they want to suggest he didn't look in a mirror for a year after regenerating, or something.  :D

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55 minutes ago, Mogster said:

There's not really much wiggle room to do anything else, unless they want to suggest he didn't look in a mirror for a year after regenerating, or something.  :D

 

Fwiw RTD didn’t write that line about the ears in ‘Rose’ with a recent regeneration in mind - he saw it more as something that had always bugged this Doctor every time he catches himself. Indeed, he points to the fact that the Doctor is experiencing no regeneration trauma in the episode and is utterly in charge from the start.

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9 minutes ago, Death's Head said:

 

Fwiw RTD didn’t write that line about the ears in ‘Rose’ with a recent regeneration in mind - he saw it more as something that had always bugged this Doctor every time he catches himself. Indeed, he points to the fact that the Doctor is experiencing no regeneration trauma in the episode and is utterly in charge from the start.

 

Fair point. That opens the door a bit wider in that case, although I still think we're going to see a 9th Doctor and Rose pairing to start with.

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I always assumed that RTD had begged Eccleston to do it, and he'd agreed on the condition that he would only do one series as a favour to his old mate to get it up and running, rather than stick around and be forever known as "former Doctor, Christopher Eccleston." So it's quite a revelation (to me) that he would have carried on quite happily had he not fallen out irreparably with RTD.

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2 hours ago, Mogster said:

 

Fair point. That opens the door a bit wider in that case, although I still think we're going to see a 9th Doctor and Rose pairing to start with.

 

Oh yeah, and rightly so - they make such a great team, far better than with Tennant (much as I love Tennant). That whole season, with a working class Doctor and companion just seems so radical now, I love it. And Chris just seems like a lovely man.

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19 hours ago, Nick R said:

 

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When asked specifically about rumors that extras being treated poorly on set were part of the reason for his unhappiness on the show and eventual departure, Eccleston said he never saw extras in particular being treated poorly, but did speak about the traditional harshness of the entertainment industry, in particular on the crew, saying: “The crew, I felt, could have been treated better, but you often feel that. It’s a ruthless business.”
 

Speaking specifically about how a director or producer’s treatment of the crew can affect an actor’s relationship to the director, Eccleston noted: “I always looked to the director and the producer because they’re the ones with the big stick. The director, for instance, treats a member of the crew badly and then comes to speak to me about my performance, I have no respect for them and I don’t listen to them and that’s difficult.”


Lots of respect for him on reading this. I'm sure he's not alone in that regard but it's not often that you see this called out by an actor.
 

56 minutes ago, Death's Head said:

And Chris just seems like a lovely man.

 

I briefly met Eccleston just after he quit Who, while I was working in the smaller HMV near Bond Street. Considering that he appears to have been in quite a dark place at the time, he was really lovely and really down to earth. At the end of the day we were just selling CDs to him but he stood out among some of the other household names we'd served on account of how warm he was, almost as if he was going out of his way to be really friendly to us in the shop. Goes a long way when you're in that job.

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30 minutes ago, Peter St John said:

You'll can also note that Keith Boak, director of Rose / Aliens of London / World War Three (the first filming block of 2005) has never directed an episode of Who since.

 

And several scenes from Rose were remounted in later blocks with a different director.

 

There was also a whole thing with a stunt involving a burning sofa flying out of Henrik's department store. I've never read a definitive take on this but the two main narratives are either:

 

a) the director went ahead with it against the advice of H&S and put extras at risk, enraging both Chris and the producers.

b) the stunt was done but tape wasn't rolling for some reason, so huge amounts of cash was wasted.

 

Also, Phil Collinson and RTD have been frank about how out of their depth they were at the start of the shoot. The shooting schedule quickly became a tissue of lies; they were trying to make a style of programme that no-one had tried to make for years in the UK, with more episodes than the standard 6 or 8, practical effects, CGI, no standing sets bar the TARDIS etc. etc. By the end of the second day of shooting that first season they were, apparently, a fortnight behind schedule. And no doubt this was all gruelling for the crew as they tried desperately to make it work.

 

The upshot was that Phil Collinson had to keep going back to Chris and tell him that he'd need to get ready to work on different scenes to the ones they'd planned for. Which, when you're in every scene, and already working 14 hour days, can't be much fun. It's no surprise he didn't want to stay on. Of course, by the time they did the second season they knew what they were doing, but by then it was too late.

 

I also heard that Chris got on particularly well with Joe Aherne, which is why he ended up directing so many episodes that first year, as they hired him to do more so Chris would be happy. But I think they burned Joe out, which is why he never returned.

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3 hours ago, DeciderVT said:

 

I briefly met Eccleston just after he quit Who, while I was working in the smaller HMV near Bond Street. Considering that he appears to have been in quite a dark place at the time, he was really lovely and really down to earth. At the end of the day we were just selling CDs to him but he stood out among some of the other household names we'd served on account of how warm he was, almost as if he was going out of his way to be really friendly to us in the shop. Goes a long way when you're in that job.

 

and he did this

 

 

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1 hour ago, Peter St John said:

You'll can also note that Keith Boak, director of Rose / Aliens of London / World War Three (the first filming block of 2005) has never directed an episode of Who since.

 

So gutting, as I’m adamant that if Aliens of London had been given to a competent director - Euros Lyn, say - then that two parter would rightly be seen for the postmodern classic it is.

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So what is the consensus of this from Capaldi's second season onwards? I've re-watched some of Matt Smith's episodes today and originally saw Capaldi's first season, which I quite liked, but I fell away after that.

 

Now it should be noted that a) I haven't ever watched any new-Who pre-Smith (and don't really intend to either) and b) I actually liked Clara and her relationships with Smith and Capaldi and found them a bit more heartwarming than with Amy and Rory (though I liked them too) - though I recall not many in here are fans of her.


Setting that as a bit of a benchmark for what I enjoy, is the rest of the Capaldi run and beyond worth it?

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If you liked the Clara/Twelfth Doctor relationship, then I'd definitely recommend watching Capaldi's second series (9). It was a series made up almost entirely of two-parters, and it was one of the strongest series they've made. And in Heaven Sent, it contains a good contender for the single best episode since 2005.

 

I don't think series 10 was quite as strong, but it was still a good series - especially considering how tired Moffat was when working on it (it was one series more than he was expecting to do because Chibnall wasn't ready, and his mother died while he was in the middle of writing it). The only really poor bit of the series was the Steven Moffat/Peter Harness/Toby Whithouse three-parter in the middle, which started well then fell apart.

 

Bear in mind that's just based on my memories of them: I've rewatched very few of the Capaldi episodes since broadcast. The exceptions being Heaven Sent and Listen, which were among the episodes Moffat recently did Twitter commentaries on for the #LockdownWho Twitter events.

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