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2 hours ago, Rudderless said:

 

If you want to read the review, buy the magazine. 

 

Or get a Readly subscription. Magazine Netflix. £10 a month for iPad versions of Edge, Retro Gamer, Fortean Times and Viz. (Also known as a childhood subscription).

 

Loads of other stuff too (Wired, Official Playstation and Xbox, a load of gadget magazines, music, proper news stuff etc, etc).

 

I want to support the magazines, but I don't read enough to justify a subscription, and end up chucking a load of paper away as I don't collect them.So this works perfectly for me.

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Or just join your local library and see if you can read it through that, mine has a lot of stuff you’d otherwise pay readly for.

or pay all of £2.99 a month and get an iPad or android copy. This is my current method, because some people need to eat while they’re writing about games, but I don’t have the space or time to deal with paper copies: it’s probably a false economy because if I bought a paper sub I’d probably read more of it.

or buy a paper copy.

 

lots of options.

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1 hour ago, LaveDisco said:

 

Or get a Readly subscription. Magazine Netflix. £10 a month for iPad versions of Edge, Retro Gamer, Fortean Times and Viz. (Also known as a childhood subscription).

 

Loads of other stuff too (Wired, Official Playstation and Xbox, a load of gadget magazines, music, proper news stuff etc, etc).

 

I want to support the magazines, but I don't read enough to justify a subscription, and end up chucking a load of paper away as I don't collect them.So this works perfectly for me.

 

Sure! All fine. I'm just surprised when people don't understand the harm it does to post scans of mags online. 

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9 hours ago, jonamok said:

An 8 for Flight Sim. That’s going to be an interesting read.

 

And it appears it's marked down (at least in part) due to the Edge PC and broadband speed not being up to the required task, and England having an absence of photogrammetry. :facepalm:

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10 hours ago, Bojangle said:

Anyone know if the Hades review was the PC or Switch version? Bought the game way back when it came out on Epic and it was already well deserving of the 9 at that point. Curious how it plays on Switch, definitely double dip worthy if performance is decent!

 

It's the PC version they've reviewed.

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7 hours ago, LaveDisco said:

 

Or get a Readly subscription. Magazine Netflix. £10 a month for iPad versions of Edge, Retro Gamer, Fortean Times and Viz. (Also known as a childhood subscription).

 

Loads of other stuff too (Wired, Official Playstation and Xbox, a load of gadget magazines, music, proper news stuff etc, etc).

 

I want to support the magazines, but I don't read enough to justify a subscription, and end up chucking a load of paper away as I don't collect them.So this works perfectly for me.

Just had a look at that. Great price per month!  Website says £7.99 a month.

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10 minutes ago, jonamok said:

 

And it appears it's marked down (at least in part) due to the Edge PC and broadband speed not being up to the required task, and England having an absence of photogrammetry. :facepalm:


I think there are enough bugs to mark it down - the common wind bug being the main one. Still more next gen than anything else I’ve seen though.

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12 hours ago, Rudderless said:

If you want to read the review, buy the magazine. 

 

I think there's a discussion to be had about this nowadays, as magazines have ceased to be buyers' guides for the majority. It's far more common to buy a game and then wonder what others make of it, which likely isn't worth £6 for curiosity's sake. Or maybe you haven't bought a game and don't plan to, but still wouldn't mind hearing a different take on it. I've read quite a few free articles on games I've no interest in actually playing, possibly more so than articles on games I've really loved.

 

That leaves the rest of a magazine's value in its additional content, to be paid for, but the monetary value of a single, virtually torn-out review has been subjective for ages. For me they're seldom worth paying for now but I would read a few, while others will happily pay for them, and this patchwork of readers raises the question of reviews becoming a free service eventually, instead of something mags continue to ringfence to boost their sales in tandem with losing them through their routine lateness.

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37 minutes ago, Escaped said:

  

 

I think there's a discussion to be had about this nowadays, as magazines have ceased to be buyers' guides for the majority. It's far more common to buy a game and then wonder what others make of it, which likely isn't worth £6 for curiosity's sake. Or maybe you haven't bought a game and don't plan to, but still wouldn't mind hearing a different take on it. I've read quite a few free articles on games I've no interest in actually playing, possibly more so than articles on games I've really loved.

 

That leaves the rest of a magazine's value in its additional content, to be paid for, but the monetary value of a single, virtually torn-out review has been subjective for ages. For me they're seldom worth paying for now but I would read a few, while others will happily pay for them, and this patchwork of readers raises the question of reviews becoming a free service eventually, instead of something mags continue to ringfence to boost their sales in tandem with losing them through their routine lateness.


This is bizarro world logic. 

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4 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:


This is bizarro world logic. 

 

Nah. There's no value in games 'journalism' any more. It's all available freely on the web. You can generally find an opinion you agree with easily enough for free. And reviews are as common as muck, so why pay for those?

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5 minutes ago, PrimalSage said:

 

Nah. There's no value in games 'journalism' any more. It's all available freely on the web. You can generally find an opinion you agree with easily enough for free. And reviews are as common as muck, so why pay for those?

 

You forgot the 'so-called'.

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29 minutes ago, PrimalSage said:

Nah. There's no value in games 'journalism' any more. It's all available freely on the web. You can generally find an opinion you agree with easily enough for free. And reviews are as common as muck, so why pay for those?

 

Writers are still paid and hopefully valued for that content, and I appreciate everything else magazines offer. I'd rather they didn't paywall their reviews and released a mag every quarter, but reviews are still their main draw while simultaneously — by enabling their high price — fast-forwarding them to failure.

  

17 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

Whether or not you personally value something has no bearing on whether or not it’s ok to steal it. 

 

Condoning stealing's a different argument to this, which is the simple reality of more and more people not seeing the value in paid reviews any more. Not because they lack merit, it's because they're outliers. That I'd read them if I could do so for nowt shows they have (potentially) intellectual value to me, but they're up against an ocean of free alternatives and it's petty to suggest that none of those are as good.

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1 hour ago, Escaped said:

  

 

I think there's a discussion to be had about this nowadays, as magazines have ceased to be buyers' guides for the majority. It's far more common to buy a game and then wonder what others make of it, which likely isn't worth £6 for curiosity's sake. Or maybe you haven't bought a game and don't plan to, but still wouldn't mind hearing a different take on it. I've read quite a few free articles on games I've no interest in actually playing, possibly more so than articles on games I've really loved.

 

That leaves the rest of a magazine's value in its additional content, to be paid for, but the monetary value of a single, virtually torn-out review has been subjective for ages. For me they're seldom worth paying for now but I would read a few, while others will happily pay for them, and this patchwork of readers raises the question of reviews becoming a free service eventually, instead of something mags continue to ringfence to boost their sales in tandem with losing them through their routine lateness.

 

I think Edge's opinion matters to enough people that it's an extra selling point. Take them out of the mag and you're giving people one more reason not to buy it. And you're saying this in a month where there are three world-first reviews, and in a thread where you've got someone asking to post the Spelunky 2 piece largely because no other publication has reviewed it yet. 

 

And believe me, people who work in print are having these discussions all the time. If and when it makes sense to post reviews online for free, it'll happen. But your personal preferences aren't necessarily in the best interests of the mag, nor its readership. 

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1 hour ago, Rudderless said:

I think Edge's opinion matters to enough people that it's an extra selling point. Take them out of the mag and you're giving people one more reason not to buy it.

 

It's because this is true that I think it's doing damage either way, where prizing reviews as the asset the mag revolves around to support its growing price has had them on course for a possibly avoidable demise for years. And the trouble with world-first reviews is that I consider them dubious, with plenty of historical evidence to support those feelings. You might say I'm wrong and I might be happy to agree, but we've seen enough wolves to listen to the boy.

 

I don't have the answer, but I don't think someone asking for screens of a review feels discordant in today's online world. It's fair enough to consider it wrong because staffers rely on sales for a living, but it's clearly the way things have been going since the 2000s, and the choice is to fight it on moral grounds from an ever-weakening position, or change tactics. We're talking about the commercialisation of independent thought, and before the Internet we had to cover the costs of printing to get it out there.

 

I still like physical as a medium if not Future-owned enterprise, so I'd pay £10 for a hefty quarterly instead (could still have some reviews in it), with the monthly reviews moved to a dedicated free website. Edge Presents Retro #1 is the best thing they've ever done.

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Hades is so excellent, I'm in the middle of making a YouTube guide for it! :)

 

Its the best rogue like ever. 

 

Here's a bit I cut from the script:

 

Hades is an action-RPG dungeon crawler with roguelike elements.  You know, one of those games where you die and start from the beginning every time. 

 

But don’t let that put you off! It’s one of the most fair, satisfying and interesting games like this I’ve ever played.  

 

The repetition in Hades feels different to other games in the genre; not only because it really smartly drip-feeds you the excellent narrative (delivered with SuperGiants' trademark flair), but also because it introduces mechanics and systems over several runs so new players don’t get overwhelmed - neat!! And it manages to spice things up - in ways I don't really want to spoil here - for the more experienced. Double neat! 

 

The combat is superb and leagues ahead of any game like this I've ever played.. I mean, there's clear telegraphing on enemy attacks, proper dodging and parrying, it's so good!  It’s the kind of game where your skill will help you complete it more than stats or level ups (yes it’s possible to complete it without dying once if you know what you are doing)

 

So yeah. It's a very good "one of those games where you die and start from the beginning each time". Probably my favourite ever. 

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11 hours ago, Colonel Panic said:

Roguelike. Sad faces. 

Don't be sad. It's a fucking great game. 

 

You know how in Dark Souls, there's this really clever ludo narrative cohesion, like the way  the mechanics really fit into both the game and the story?

 

Hades is like that too. It uses the repetition in such cool ways. It's SuperGiants best game to date imo. If you like their other stuff you'd be mad to miss out on it because of what you think it might be based on a loose genre / label. 

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7 hours ago, Escaped said:

 

Writers are still paid and hopefully valued for that content, and I appreciate everything else magazines offer. I'd rather they didn't paywall their reviews and released a mag every quarter, but reviews are still their main draw while simultaneously — by enabling their high price — fast-forwarding them to failure.

  Condoning stealing's a different argument to this, which is the simple reality of more and more people not seeing the value in paid reviews any more. Not because they lack merit, it's because they're outliers. That I'd read them if I could do so for nowt shows they have (potentially) intellectual value to me, but they're up against an ocean of free alternatives and it's petty to suggest that none of those are as good.


I doubt writers are getting paid for long if you steal their content and publish it to all and sundry. Magazines are in a bit of a death spiral, along with the rest of the press - online, offline - and taking out half their timely content in favour of just a few articles and releasing quarterly seems unlikely to help.

 

if the reviews have little value to you, then of course you might, perhaps consider reading them for free. But you’re not the audience - there’s no way to monetise you (and there’s certainly no way to monetise you if the place the review is posted doesn’t carry advertising sold by the magazine). So we come back to “should writers be paid...”

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