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Season 2 episode 2

 

That is more like it... weak wobbly opening to get the plot moving but that is all forgiven once the episode gets going. This time Mando comes to the fore with no real distractions from characters of the week. The fact that the 3 main protagonists in this episode cannot communicate and yet they seem to operate well together is down to some great writing.

 

Action heavy but great action and some funny moments - good lord I finally saw some character in the muppet :D

 

More of this PLEASE

 

5/5

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I've finished S2 now. Glad to see some more grump in this thread now, as I can't say the run in to the end of S2 did anything other than make me even less inclined to like the show. 

I was pondering its total lack of.... spirit? joy? wit?.... as I watched Episode 6, and I think the opening 5 minutes pretty much encapsulate all my issues with it. It's helmet man and yoda sitting in the spaceship having a chat. Stilted almost.... improvised? dialogue so banal and mundane I genuinely couldn't believe it had reached the screen. I guess this is the predictable end point when you essentially have the tale of two monosyllabic religious fundamentalists doing side quests. I don't want to go on and on about it, but this opening bit of dialogue (and the stultifying dullness of the remainder of the episode) really points to why the Doctor is given a companion or why you have characters like Xander or Wash in a scifi setting. You need someone to point out the absurdity of a situation and give the audience some sort of way in.  I guess the closest Mandalorian comes to this is the blue skinned dude or Bill Burr, but neither are very good. Imagine if Han sliced opened the Tauntaun and just... stuffed Luke in it in silence. That's The Mandalorian.

 

The snow planet episode is another good example of this. After running away from space beasts and all the chaos then trying to start the ship and then taking off before something else goes wrong it needs one fucking person to look at the situation (including the space frog) and just go "WTF is actually happening here?". It's a cliche for a reason in science fiction - you need to soft break the fourth wall from time to time, or have the script and commitment to double down on the seriousness. Mandolorian does neither.  

 

And the ending. To basically invalidate one of the strongest bits of the series (which is it appears to be taking place in a slightly enlarged universe rather than the adventures of about 7 family members and people who know them) it decides to chuck that on the bonfire and dish out a bit of toe curling fan service, which makes little sense and culminates in CGI so unrealistic it at least matched the dialogue. Someone further up the thread was all like "if you haven't felt emotion yet, wait until you get to the last episoide!!!!11!!!". They were right. I did feel an emotion, and it was a strong sense of disappointment. 

 

I give it meh/10

 

And yes - "if you dont like it dont watch it!!!". It was fine. Sometimes I eat service station sandwiches. Life does not have to be curated for just excellence. 

 

  

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1 hour ago, Matt Defis said:

I don't get these people who don't understand who turns up in the final episode, who else could it be, there's literally 4 possible people and 1 of them is attemting to rebuild so is actively searching for others, it's the only person that makes sense and the only choice to go with, it might be fanservice but it makes perfect sense in the story.

 

It's boring, lazy, predictable, pandering to the mouthbreathers who didn't like the characterisation in TLJ and is topped off with CGI that would've disgraced Seaquest DSV. 

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3 minutes ago, cavalcade said:

 

It's boring, lazy, predictable, pandering to the mouthbreathers who didn't like the characterisation in TLJ and is topped off with CGI that would've disgraced Seaquest DSV. 

It's not that predictable. But yeah. You've stated your case. It's probably not for you*. 

 

 

 

*See you here after series 3. 

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1 minute ago, Stoppy2000 said:

It's not that predictable. But yeah. You've stated your case. It's probably not for you*. 

 

 

 

*See you here after series 3. 

 

You maybe need to chat to Matt about the predictability then, because "who else could it be".

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8 minutes ago, Matt Defis said:

Ahsoka said no, which leaves Ezra who's off in the unknown regions and Cal Kestis but we have no idea where he is or what he's doing at this point so that leaves only one person.

So three credible options. I still didn't rule Ahsoka out though. The option they went for surprised me as I felt Ezra was nailed on. I do think it worked out perfectly (slightly ropey CGI aside). 

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34 minutes ago, cavalcade said:

 

It's boring, lazy, predictable, pandering to the mouthbreathers who didn't like the characterisation in TLJ and is topped off with CGI that would've disgraced Seaquest DSV. 

 

I'd rather they done that than pander to the weird generation of star wars fans that act like crack-addicts trying to recapture that first sweet hit of childhood nostalgia and are weirdly aggressive about anything that doesn't sate the impossible. 

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I dunno, as a fairly casual viewer I figured it had to be 

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Luke

 because to other casual viewers that's the only character to make any sense. Apart from Ahsoka I've never heard of the other candidates mentioned above and I'm sure other casual viewers wouldn't have.  

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It's plausible for the mandelorian so have introduced completely new Jedi characters in this series if they wanted to without contradicting the movies.

 

When Obi Wan and Yoda spoke about Luke and Liea defeating Vader they could have meant that only his children could be powerful enough to beat him, or that only his kids could motivate him to turn on the Emporer.

 

It's believable that a few other Jedi survived the purge and went into hiding, but have come back into the open after the fall of the Empire.

 

Obviously, introducing an entirely new Jedi just in the final episode wouldn't have had the same impact so the series would have had to play out differently but it's wouldn't be contradictory.

 

You could have had a character searching for redemption for not doing more to help the rebellion and that to be his motivation to help the Mando, (maybe, like  Ronin type jedi travelling with the Mando to regain his honour ) or an apprentice who hasn't fully mastered the force and that be a source of conflict in the next series.

 

It's not necessarily the way they should have gone, but it's a big universe and entirely possible that there are jedi out there, that Luke could never find, or just didn't want to kick it with the son of vader.

 

Edit: I'm not familiar with the canon, so I dunno how well it is established that ALL the Jedi were wiped out bar the ones known, but canon in genre peices is a fickle thing and can be explained way if the character is interesting enough.

I'd like to see the Mando having adventures with a jedi (though one that isn't super powerful) for a season.

 

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This entire show has had almost exclusively completely new characters leading it from the beginning. Then it tied in a few much loved characters from the animated series who deserved a wider audience, and finally it’s brought a couple in from the OT, both of whom showed skills they’d learned from their fathers as shown in the Prequels.

 

I’m all for stories telling the tales of people without shoe-horning in big names, but it’s been done so well in this and has actually tied together many disparate shows and movies into a coherent whole. Luke channeling Anakin was a revelation for me, and I am by no means a fan of the Prequels, likewise Boba Fett using the skills he’d learned from Jango. The way Filoni and Favreau weave it all together is masterful.

 

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32 minutes ago, Delargey said:

It's plausible for the mandelorian so have introduced completely new Jedi characters in this series if they wanted to without contradicting the movies.

 

When Obi Wan and Yoda spoke about Luke and Liea defeating Vader they could have meant that only his children could be powerful enough to beat him, or that only his kids could motivate him to turn on the Emporer.

 

It's believable that a few other Jedi survived the purge and went into hiding, but have come back into the open after the fall of the Empire.

 

Obviously, introducing an entirely new Jedi just in the final episode wouldn't have had the same impact so the series would have had to play out differently but it's wouldn't be contradictory.

 

You could have had a character searching for redemption for not doing more to help the rebellion and that to be his motivation to help the Mando, (maybe, like  Ronin type jedi travelling with the Mando to regain his honour ) or an apprentice who hasn't fully mastered the force and that be a source of conflict in the next series.

 

It's not necessarily the way they should have gone, but it's a big universe and entirely possible that there are jedi out there, that Luke could never find, or just didn't want to kick it with the son of vader.

 

Edit: I'm not familiar with the canon, so I dunno how well it is established that ALL the Jedi were wiped out bar the ones known, but canon in genre peices is a fickle thing and can be explained way if the character is interesting enough.

I'd like to see the Mando having adventures with a jedi (though one that isn't super powerful) for a season.

 

The problem with that is there have been books and comics set between ROTJ and TFA so we know what's going on around this period in terms of Jedi and what characters are up to and the Lucas story group are really on point with keeping everything without contradictions.

 

If you're a fan of the larger universe from other media then you'll know that was the only option that makes sense. 

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3 minutes ago, womblingfree said:

This entire show has had almost exclusively completely new characters leading it from the beginning.

 

I agree. That was partly why I was enjoying it. New stories in new places about new people. Then we get the MCU style shoehorning in of characters that add little in their own right, other than to encourage you to keep up your Disney+ subscription. And then we ditch the central plot device off to a pile of bad CGI.

 

I'm being meaner about it than I actually feel, I think, but I do wish they'd avoided the temptation to get back in the ruts. I've been lazily binging the Clone Wars series on D+ since I finished the Mandalorian, and it's really not very good. A handful of decent episodes at most across 7 pretty padded seasons. And whilst, by the end, I also liked Ahsoka, her presence in this is literally just to say "be sure to tune into my forthcoming series!"

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@Uncle Mike I started watching Clone Wars and hated it. Skipped to the last four episodes of Season 7 and loved it, and then just dipped into what the Internet told me were the decent arcs, like Ahsoka being kicked out and the Mandalorian stuff. Did the same with Rebels.

 

If I’d watched it all the way through without skipping any I’d have been pretty miserable. It has some really good arcs, but there is a hell of a lot of padding. I mean, if I’d watched it as a kid it would all have been amazing and I would have fond memories of it forever, but I’m nearly 50.

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3 minutes ago, Matt Defis said:

The problem with that is there have been books and comics set between ROTJ and TFA so we know what's going on around this period in terms of Jedi and what characters are up to and the Lucas story group are really on point with keeping everything without contradictions.

 

If you're a fan of the larger universe from other media then you'll know that was the only option that makes sense. 

 

Didn't they junk all the expanded universe stuff?

 

Is it established in the books/comics/games that for 100% that there is only 4 jedi or only that there are only four that we know of?

 

If Cal Kesis is canon, then that sets up that there were other Jedi in hiding during the reign of the empire so it's not crazy to believe there could be more. Yoda told Luke that when he was gone, Luke would be the last of the Jedi, canon changes all the time.

 

 if the character was interesting enough, would you probably wouldn't really care.

 

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8 hours ago, Delargey said:

 

Didn't they junk all the expanded universe stuff?

 

Is it established in the books/comics/games that for 100% that there is only 4 jedi or only that there are only four that we know of?

 

If Cal Kesis is canon, then that sets up that there were other Jedi in hiding during the reign of the empire so it's not crazy to believe there could be more. Yoda told Luke that when he was gone, Luke would be the last of the Jedi, canon changes all the time.

 

 if the character was interesting enough, would you probably wouldn't really care.

 

They only junked the EU stuff that was established before the sequel trilogy. Clone Wars & Rebels are still canon but loads of books/comics were cut. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Matt Defis said:

The problem with that is there have been books and comics set between ROTJ and TFA so we know what's going on around this period in terms of Jedi and what characters are up to and the Lucas story group are really on point with keeping everything without contradictions.

 

If you're a fan of the larger universe from other media then you'll know that was the only option that makes sense. 

I’ve not been reading the new timeline books at all. Have they established when Luke sets up his Academy ? Does he do it straight after RoTJ or is Ben Solo part of the inaugural class ?

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47 minutes ago, Jammy said:

I’ve not been reading the new timeline books at all. Have they established when Luke sets up his Academy ? Does he do it straight after RoTJ or is Ben Solo part of the inaugural class ?

 

I think it's around five years after ROTJ. He spends a while exploring old Jedi temples around the galaxy and learning about the Force. Given The Mandalorian's position in the timeline (5 years after ROTJ), it could be that adopting Grogu is the point that he decides to embark on his teaching career.

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12 hours ago, Delargey said:

 

Didn't they junk all the expanded universe stuff?

 

Is it established in the books/comics/games that for 100% that there is only 4 jedi or only that there are only four that we know of?

 

If Cal Kesis is canon, then that sets up that there were other Jedi in hiding during the reign of the empire so it's not crazy to believe there could be more. Yoda told Luke that when he was gone, Luke would be the last of the Jedi, canon changes all the time.

 

 if the character was interesting enough, would you probably wouldn't really care.

 

There's been 100s of comics and roughly 20-40 new books that are all part of the canon. 

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1 hour ago, Matt Defis said:

There's been 100s of comics and roughly 20-40 new books that are all part of the canon. 

 

I've only read Dr Aphra- which is excellent. She'd exactly be someone I'd like to see turn up in a live action.

 

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still think it would be fine to introduce new Jedi in this, but it also made sense for Luke to find baby yoda.

 

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