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Action thriller starring Charlize Theron, James McAvoy, Toby Jones, John Goodman, Eddie Marsan and Sofia Boutella. Directed by John Wick co-director David Leitch.

 

It's based on a 2012 graphic novel, The Coldest City, set in Berlin in 1989, when the wall is about to come down. US release on 28 July and UK on 11 August. But it's playing at SXSW in two days, so I guess we'll get impressions from that.

 

RED BAND trailer

 

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Oh. I'm totally the other side of the fence, looks like it's trying waaaaay too hard to be edgy and violent. Also, that fight scene early in the trailer, you can see the pauses in the choreography, doesn't look fluid at all.

 

Will hold out hope that being as it is from someone heavily involved with John Wick, and given the talent attached, the complete film will flow a lot better.

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Got tickets to see this tonight, and pretty* hyped for it.  I love both John Wick and Charlize with all of my heart.  All of it.

 

I'm probably going to pass out if this is half as good as I want it to be.

 

HYPE TRAIN!

 

*absofuckinglutelymotherfuckingtotally

 

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News at 11: This was bloody terrific.

 

And if they can make franchises out of Keanananu waving a gun around doing roly-polies and Daniel Craig looking miserable in an invisible car then they can fucking well make a franchise from Charlize Theron punching/kicking/shooting/whipping guys in the dick to a thumping period soundtrack.

 

First sequel: America 1994. A plot that crosses from east to west coast with a matching hip hop soundtrack. 

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Loved it. Let's be honest though, I was always going to love it. But I fucking loved it.  

 

That stairwell fight is as immense as everybody's saying. I'd love to see a Making Of doc. Hope there's one on the blu-ray.  

 

Favourite bit was right near the end when...

 

Spoiler

She uses one of the chuckle brothers as a human shield in the hotel room. 

 

Totally on board for the early 90s sequel.  Bring it. 

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2 hours ago, DukeOfEarlsfield said:

News at 11: This was bloody terrific.

 

And if they can make franchises out of Keanananu waving a gun around doing roly-polies and Daniel Craig looking miserable in an invisible car then they can fucking well make a franchise from Charlize Theron punching/kicking/shooting/whipping guys in the dick to a thumping period soundtrack.

 

First sequel: America 1994. A plot that crosses from east to west coast with a matching hip hop soundtrack. 

 

Again there's that weird corporate language when discussing films. 

 

Please give us a franchise, Hollywood! Here are my sequel ideas with matching shallow aesthetic gimmicks. 

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This was pretty good, though not quite in the same class as john wick. A really cool neon-noir Bond film, the plot is a bit of a mess but it's all so stylish that I didn't care much. 

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On 14/08/2017 at 19:48, therearerules said:

Just seen this. Thought it was a bit shit really. The more I think about it, the more annoyed I get. A turd.

 

Yikes. That's a shame. 

 

The action seemed to be clear and legible in the trailers, which alone made got my attention because Hollywood tends to film and edit fights like total shit. Every Frame A Painting has a great video on that. 

 

What's wrong with it? 

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Just come back from seeing it. Very much like Ashes to Ashes, it depicts a 1989 which only existed in pop culture and felt like well choreographed violence glued together with an 80s soundtrack, vodka, neon and indoor smoking.

 

That said, I thought there were one or two superbly staged fights which were of the John Wick ilk (no surprise there) and Theron is a very credible action hero who deserves a film with a more coherent story. I applaud any film which does stunts without the shaky cam "you're in the middle of the action because we can't be arsed to stage this properly" motif.

 

We thought that maybe John Wick could find Bill and Ted's time machine and go back to the 80s for an awesome crossover.

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12 hours ago, Smitty said:

 

Yikes. That's a shame. 

 

The action seemed to be clear and legible in the trailers, which alone made got my attention because Hollywood tends to film and edit fights like total shit. Every Frame A Painting has a great video on that. 

 

What's wrong with it? 

The main stuff is all spoilers, so here's the small non-spoilery stuff:

Theron's British accent is just her sounding bored. Constantly. The fight scenes were either comedically Bond like, or played like Reeves and Mortimer fights, complete with ridiculous Foley sound effects and people getting shot in the stomach but still fighting at full strength (with required *BADOINKS*). There's one which is cut to look like one long take, but to disguise the fact it was done in about a dozen has a number of characters repeatedly walk up to the camera like some surreal running gag.

I could forgive all that though if the plot was good. Or passable. Or made sense. Or didn't actively punish you for thinking about it in any way. Or insult you at the end. There was a thread recently about how modern movies don't have good plots or stories, and this is a prime example.

 

Spoilers (I basically go through the whole plot)



So it's a cold war spy thriller set in Berlin around the time of the fall of the wall. One Stasi agent is defecting with a list of all the Western spy identities. How he came to this knowledge isn't clear, as the Russians want this information, as do the Brits, so it's neither from his previous employers or the people helping him defect. Never mind. The list contains the name of a double agent, and the film makes it pretty clear that this double agent is undermining the Western powers and working for the KGB. The film also goes out of the way to convince you that James McAvoy is the double-agent, including a scene where the love interest (a girl, because there's no way they'd show a female spy seducing a bloke, who is made out to be a pathetic out of her depth little girly spy) discloses some info about James McAvoy we pointedly don't get to hear.

 

However, those of us paying attention know it can't be James McAvoy, because the KGB agent trusts him to get him to safety. We also know it can't be Charlize Theron, because both the KGB agent and James McAvoy (who sees the list and in one scene clearly identifies the double agent) both trust her implicitly to not betray them. And that would be pretty fucking stupid to have a film in which the person who knows who the double agent is, and is trying to escape from the KGB, allows the double agent to help them escape from the KGB. Almost as stupid as the film then having the double agent kill all the other KGB agents to help this man escape. Of course that's what happens because Charlize Theron is the double agent. The film thinks this is a great twist, but it's a twist that makes absolutely no fucking sense. It really wants you to think McAvoy is the double agent, to the point where he actively works for the KGB, just so it can have a twist. It makes no fucking sense, not even in a plot hole way, but in a 'you're really insulting my intelligence' way.

 

And then at the end Charlize Theron reveals that she was only ever a good double agent, just in case the film accidentally treated the audience like adults, and only ever fed the KGB false information! Of course, because that's how double agents work! Also she's an American spy! Which makes her terrible accent even more baffling.

 

Essentially the plot is a couple of hours of this:

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I can't think of a film I've scene at the cinema with a worse plot. Appalling.

 

 

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Finally got around to watching this. Very generic spylist thriller with plot beats you can see a mile away. Very plodding and up its own arse with the overbearing 80s music. The action setpieces can't elevate it. Another one of those films with trailers making it more an action film but really just a generic spy thriller. Pants.

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A film I fully expected to love that passed me by, it felt so hollow and devoid of anything to grab on to. I know ordinarily the thing to pull you in would usually be the plot or characters but it doesn't really have either. I guess it's just the way of spy films though, lots of double speak, lies, utterances.

 

The talked about fight scene

 

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I didn't like. How?!? I found it grim, and out of place. Call me thick, but I couldn't understand why the man (yeah can't recall his name already..only finished it 5 hours ago) who had memorized the list couldn't relay the information to someone else or write it down, to save his inevitable attempt on his life. Tbh, therearerules' run through has spun me out. I didn't know what the fuck was going on. I listened to a podcast and one said he asked 8 pro critics to explain the plot and they couldn't. So..the fight, tonally it didn't fit with the rest of the film, nor did it feel timed well. It didn't even feel necessary, like I don't think the film needed it, and this kind of ambitious action film making is exactly what I want. It made me think of other films with violent action, Ike The Raid 2, or any Korean thriller, which somehow felt less grim. Like, the difference I think is the repeated violence on the same few people, so it escalates, you get them thrown around, being strangled, you see the damage they're taking and I think for a light fun action film with 80s pop music being played throughout which is going for slick and stylish and fluorescent like John Wick then it felt off. I can't watch ufc either but boxing is fine, I don't tell myself that boxing with the number of blows to the head is actually more damaging. I'm further uncomfortable with the grimness applied to violence against women. I mean I watched I Saw The Devil with glee and other Korean thrillers that have violence against women where they're going through hell, locked up, struggling, but any death at the hands of a killer will be of screen, any time they're hit it's a slap and not a punch, you don't see bruises. Thinking of stuff like Bedevilled and The Chaser, they have to establish the threat and their plight, the director wants you to feel the tension of being so helpless, as they are, in close proximity to the danger. So even though Theron holds her own and comes out on top I couldn't really enjoy it. It's probably weird to go into detail on that, and put it badly. With The Raid 2, he hits someone a few times and then moves on. With the kitchen knife fight, it's two top martial artists fighting, so even though it's long and there's lots of blood, it's different. You don't revel in the grim reality of what a real fight to the death would be like but marvel at the speed and skill on display, that they're so evenly matched as fighters. Even though it is a fight to the death, it isn't, it's more like one eventually just gets tired. They're different styles of fights. In Atomic Blonde it was more Bourne, that kind of fight to the death isn't even meant to be enjoyed really is it ? I didn't get it really. In Bourne and in Casino Royale it served a purpose, here it didn't seem to.

 

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Well, I chose this as my 99p rental from Google tonight.

 

It's a really awkward film, and seemingly unsure of exactly how to play the stuff it laid out really well in the original trailer ages ago.

 

What put me off almost immediately was need to show off Ms Theron's body from the off, and then pretty much every 30 minutes. Now, I'm perfectly happy to look at her body, as it's very nice but aside from gratuity it served absolutely no purpose in this film other than the usual 'nude stars make $$$'. 

 

The story wasn't great, but I can forgive films this if there's some sort of consistency in the world they've created, but there isn't. The 'fun' moments weren't fun, and the action scenes were fairly well staged but lacked atmosphere to do them justice. But the worst thing I can say is that I just didn't like anyone in the film - Theron definitely could do a turn as Mrs Wick no problem, but she wasn't given anything for me to cheer her on for.

 

It's certainly watchable, but very much forgettable and I really wanted it to be better than that!

 

 

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Fuck me you lot are a bunch of miseries! :lol:

 

Just watched this, thoroughly enjoyed it, loved the 80s music, the action sequences were excellent and well done and then camera work was spot on. The plot made sense, so God knows what some of you are on about and 'therearerules' nonsense spoiler above is wrong, because he didn't know who the double agent was until towards the end, not half way through like he/she has said. 

 

Definitely a film with tons of style but there is plenty of substance there too. 

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I can’t stand James Mcavoy, split was decent cos he didn’t have to sustain one role for an entire movie so had my doubts about this, love charlize and Sofia boutella too, took a chance on it in cinema and thought it was v poor, Salt and Hanna much better

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