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Let me put it another way, if you want to claim that characters are changing “at the drop of a hat”, when actually they’re undergoing changes that have clear story and dramatic purposes which are foreshadowed, shown, brought up in dialogue and generally played off like any other normal part of a normally written story... the onus is on you to make that case. 

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53 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

Let me put it another way, if you want to claim that characters are changing “at the drop of a hat”, when actually they’re undergoing changes that have clear story and dramatic purposes which are foreshadowed, shown, brought up in dialogue and generally played off like any other normal part of a normally written story... the onus is on you to make that case. 

Saru - utterly obvious shit clumsy plot device

Engineer - convenient to have a character who can flip to suit a writer's mood.

 

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On 30/10/2017 at 15:22, Hexx said:

 

Really? I hated it

 

Some very nice moments and character bits - but as an overall story

 

I just watched the Mudd episode, I enjoyed it mostly, apart from the stupid gobstoppers of doom.

 

"Unless you want to die screaming in agony". Yeah but you threw one at that other guy and he just sort of disappeared unceremoniously with pretty much zero screaming.

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Saru continues to be the best thing about this show, yes his CGI running looks crap but who cares, its Star Trek. I love the fact that an alien who spends its whole life being afraid gets to be a pioneering Star Fleet officer, it seems like the worst job choice ever.

 

Like many others, I have real trouble telling the Klingons apart - is the woman Klingon in this episode the same one that teamed up with the albino Klingon? And then went on to become an interrogator? Because they look similar.

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37 minutes ago, Alan Stock said:

Like many others, I have real trouble telling the Klingons apart - is the woman Klingon in this episode the same one that teamed up with the albino Klingon? And then went on to become an interrogator? Because they look similar.

 

/Racist. 

 

;)

 

But yes, you are completely right.  Maybe we were not introduced to that many recurring Klingons in such a short space of time to keep up with but the TNG makeup seemed a lot easier to tell them all apart.  

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Haha I see it as a bit racist too, but apparently its an actual quantifiable thing with different societies in the real world. Like supposedly Asian people have more trouble identifying individuals amongst Europeans than other Asians, and vice versa. The problem with the Klingons is their human facial features are hard to make out as they are so blobby and alien, and their armour all looks the same aside from colour. Then they speak an alien language so its hard to identify phrases or accents, and their names all sound very similar too. And on top of this we only see short scenes with them every few episodes and it's no wonder we can't tell them apart.

 

If you replace the word "Klingons" with an ethnicity of real people I would sound like a massive racist, so its kind of an interesting unintended social commentary that they have these problems with the Klingons in this show. But then compare it to The Next Generation Klingons, who just looked like humans, normal faces with croissants on top of their heads, and it was waaay easier to tell them apart, so maybe it's not racist after all and just a problem with character design.

 

That aside I do like these chunky Klingons and their infighting, in fact I'd be happy to see more of it. It's way more interesting than Burnham and Clem Fandangoes tepid romance.

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yeah. those fucking probes. i kept thinking that they should really put them in a box or something. not only were they massive, but also HELLO BLUE LIGHT and HI "I AM A PROBE" sound effects. 

 

the whole fucking series is clumsy. theres some neat ideas in it, but its as though they didn't have someone in production brave enough to go "hang on a minute...." and for their opinions to matter a jot. 

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Where do you guys think they have gone? Jumped dimensionally? Or somewhere massively far away?

 

Did he do it intentionally? Or was it really a last straw?

 

 

I've really enjoyed this new series, can't wait until it's back.

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Yep, thought it was great. Although...

 

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...that fan theory is now pretty much a lock. There goes a bunch of things I said were super obvious about the upcoming plot arc for the Klingon leader. Bah. And it makes a bit of a mockery of the PTSD subplot that I thought they were handling very gracefully

 

I wonder if they'll be in the capital-M Mirror Universe now. I mean this was all cued up by a guy's literal reflection acting shifty.

 

I wonder if the business on the ship is their way of moving over to never having Klingons speaking Klingon with subtitles ever again.

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Lots of stuff wrong, and I agree clumsy is the word but I'm really enjoying it. Is that it then? I always thought 

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The mirror universe was shit as it had no consequences in longer plots.

But I'm interested to see where this goes.

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On 10/10/2017 at 07:36, Alex W. said:

They want the Klingons to be as alien as possible so that we have to work to empathise with them; without our initial knee-jerk sense of them as the Other then the inevitable moment when...

 

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...our Klingon and human protagonists realise they’re both mirror images of the same love of what their cultures stand for and fear of loss...

 

...won’t feel earned. 

 

I’m not the only one who picked up on that right?

 

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He was literally asked whether purity was more important than survival and chose the option that meant fusing Federation tech with his Klingon ship. He and Burnham are going to wind up being reluctant peacemakers. 

 

 

NOPE

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1 hour ago, Alex W. said:

Yep, thought it was great. Although...

 

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...that fan theory is now pretty much a lock. There goes a bunch of things I said were super obvious about the upcoming plot arc for the Klingon leader. Bah. And it makes a bit of a mockery of the PTSD subplot that I thought they were handling very gracefully

 

I wonder if they'll be in the capital-M Mirror Universe now. I mean this was all cued up by a guy's literal reflection acting shifty.

 

I wonder if the business on the ship is their way of moving over to never having Klingons speaking Klingon with subtitles ever again.

 

Yeah, you'd think so re the fan theory although part of me still thinks it is a massive misdirection. It's probably not but if it turns out to be the theory that everyone guessed a month ago then they have underestimated the intelligence of their audience if they consider it a twist. The latest episode pointed towards the twist but didn't quite go as far to properly confirm it. 

 

Speculation, based on statement by one of the forthcoming directors, for next episode:

 

So, Jonathan Frakes said that the show will visit the Mirror Universe at some point this season and guess who is directing the next episode.... 

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Good episode nice balance there barring a few quibbles about the "one more jump stuff". I am glad the Tyler stuff wasnt a massive obvious twist but instead a different sort of twist.

 

The episodes vary wildly (the last one stank) but it is a Very Good scifi show. This last one made me actually like the captain!

 

Oh but it isn't star trek... to me

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2 hours ago, McCoy said:

 

Yeah, you'd think so re the fan theory although part of me still thinks it is a massive misdirection. It's probably not but if it turns out to be the theory that everyone guessed a month ago then they have underestimated the intelligence of their audience if they consider it a twist. The latest episode pointed towards the twist but didn't quite go as far to properly confirm it. 

 

Speculation, based on statement by one of the forthcoming directors, for next episode:

 

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So, Jonathan Frakes said that the show will visit the Mirror Universe at some point this season and guess who is directing the next episode.... 

 

I dunno. It's not quite the same twist as the one that everyone's been waiting for them to reveal.

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... As instead of "Albino Klingon is pretending to be human" it looks like "Albino Klingon actually thinks he's human".

 

 

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Wtf is this last episode in January nonsense? Are we witnessing the dawn of a new evil that exceeds even the mid season break? What's next, I wonder. A mid mid-season break? 

 

As regards the episode, the 'one more jump' bit irritated me too..

 

 

You could say it's down to Lorca being a shit Captain due to his trauma, but that's a bit of a stretch. When you've been directly told that your chief engineer is suffering unknown levels of brain damage from jumps, and you've just had him perform 100+ of the fucking things, you don't do a 'sit this one out. Really? You sure?  Ok then!' It would be Lorca who tells Stamets he's benched indefinitely pending a battery of medical tests, not vice versa. Especially as they already have the cloaking data and a headstart on any pursuing Klingons.

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It was designed to be split in half (-ish - 3 intro and two 6 ep arcs) from the start.. with a different major plot in each - as far as I recall reading in earlier articles..


 

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I'm assuming they didn't get around to transmitting the cloak scanning data to Starfleet before they jumped either - given the captain specifically mentioned it would be 11 hours before they finished working on it (or something?).. So lots of angry cloaked Klingons are going to be going after Starfleet and Discovery has just vanished..

 

 

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6 hours ago, Tezcatlipoca said:

 

I dunno. It's not quite the same twist as the one that everyone's been waiting for them to reveal.

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... As instead of "Albino Klingon is pretending to be human" it looks like "Albino Klingon actually thinks he's human".

 

 

 

Very true and a more interesting angle to go down. Still the same basic twist though if true. 

 

Did anyone else catch the specific shots we see of Lorca fiddling with his control panel before the final jump. Slightly suspicious. Could be another red herring although could support the other theory that he's

actually from the mirror universe and messed with the final jump to deliberately get him self home. 

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3 hours ago, Gommy said:

The US splits a bunch of shows in half right?  So this is just a standard network thing?

 

I don't think this is quite the same as the splitting of seasons that happened with Mad Men/ Walking Dead etc.  They just finished shooting the season finale, so with all the effects work they probably really needed the break.  On the other hand, it does help the US subscription service by stretching it out.

 

I really enjoyed this first arc.  The battle scene was pretty great, felt like the whole crew worked together and pushed the ship to its limits a bit like Master and Commander. 

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8 hours ago, Garibaldi said:

As regards the episode, the 'one more jump' bit irritated me too..

 

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You could say it's down to Lorca being a shit Captain due to his trauma, but that's a bit of a stretch. When you've been directly told that your chief engineer is suffering unknown levels of brain damage from jumps, and you've just had him perform 100+ of the fucking things, you don't do a 'sit this one out. Really? You sure?  Ok then!' It would be Lorca who tells Stamets he's benched indefinitely pending a battery of medical tests, not vice versa. Especially as they already have the cloaking data and a headstart on any pursuing Klingons.

 

And it was only done to save a 3 hour drive back to the star base :lol: 

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